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Sunday, April 21, 2013

The driving test.......Cebe, Julbo and Vuarnet


Lens, left to right...... Julbo-Zebra, Vaurnet-PX2000, Cebe-photochromic


Yes, an alpine climbing blog with a driving test to review sun glasses.  Go figure.

Turns out no matter what I do, short of running or riding my bike,  I have to drive to get there.
825 miles/ 1328K from my house to SLC where the winter and summer OR shows are held.  Typically 2 full days of driving.  Much of it is in Oregon with a 65mph speed limit on perfect 4 lane freeways.

Not a lot to interest me between Seattle and Salt Lake City, in August and even less in mid January.
The idea is to get there and get the goods.  If I am really lucky I'll get in some local SLC ice or just as good some skiing in the Wasatch.

This year my truck got loaded late.  I had decided earlier not to attend OR.  SO air flights were out of the question last minute.   The weather this January was terrible for driving.  On my trip down the Interstate was closed in several locations for hours on end.  The way back?  Even worse between snow and ice storms.  Bad enough that ice build up would eventually crack my windshield before I could break it all off my rig.

But knowing I was in for a long drive I preplanned one of the things I had wanted to do for a while now.  I wanted to make a sun glass comparison.   But not of  the typical sun glass collections I had previous.  This time it would be just the three sunglasses I have kept and keep using in the mountains.  4 days in a car by yourself will drive one to do some interesting things to keep yourself entertained.

So I took what I considered the three best sunglasses available to me on a road trip.  At least the three I use the most out of a previous two dozen I tested last fall.  They are the Julbo Trek-Zebra (brown photochromic) Cat 2 to 4 and 7/42% of visable light, Vuarnet Cateye2002 -PX2000 Brown lens, Cat 3 and 18/43%  of visable light transmission, Cebe Ice 8000 Cébé Variochrom Peak (grey photochromic) Cat 2 to 4 and  5/20% of visable light transmission.

Like anything gear related we choose to use it depends on the conditions and personal preference as to how "good" that particular piece of gear will be for your needs.  God only knows how many sunglasses are being made now.  And a lot of them are really nice sunglasses.  I just don't have access to all of them.  And at this point likely not all that interested in looking at any more of them.

I went looking for the best in mountain/sport glasses for my own use.  This is the pinnacle of that search.  YMMV 

I know all of these sun glasses are exceptional pieces of kit, with only minor limitations for my own use.

As I have aged my eyes have become less sensitive to light.  It shows to me by way of wanting some sort of very lightly shaded sun glass.  The mild sunlight we get in the Puget Sound region the majority of the year surrounded by green seldom requires a really dark lens.  But I have never liked a really dark lens in the mountains.  I found them too limiting at dawn and dusk or in heavy cloud cover when I might still want some protection.  But viability was still paramount.

The current photochromic lens options are a wonderful find for me.  Category 2 to 4 sun protection all in the same lens.

Each of these glasses has some distinct attributes and some failings imo.  All three are without a doubt simply stellar sun glasses.  But read on and you'll see why I own and use all three on a regular basis.



Vuarnet original Cateye 2002-PX2000 Brown lens, Cat 3 and 18/43% of visible light transmission


Lets start with the old school Vuarnet.  It is the only glass lens represented here.  Any one who puts on a high quality glass lens like a Vuarnet or a Maui Jim will  almost without fail comment about the clarity of the lens.  I still do if I haven't worn a Vuarnet in a while.  Enough so I always go back and make sure my poly lens are actually clean...which they generally are.  There is that much of a difference in lens quality no matter who makes the poly lens.  Big thumbs up for the Vuarnet here if you have to wear sun glasses for really long periods of time.  That lens quality will lower your eye strain.  Nice thing about a glass lens is you know what you have.  What ever the lens shade it you know it isn't going to change.  You are good 24/7 indoors or out if a sun glass (or disguise) is required :)

The Skilynx lens is the most famous and more common.  And my original lens.  I find the PX 2000 or Nautilux (famous for Vuarna-vision) and their lighter tint more practical now .

Durability?  I still have my first pair of Vuarnets.  One tiny divot in the left lens from dropping them face first onto fresh pavement.  But the lens are still usable.  I'm on the third frame now, 30 year later.  But the same lens.  Not sure I own anything I still use for skiing or climbing that is 30 years old.  A wool hat, a single pair of gloves and a wool scarf or two are the remainder of that very short list!  Part of that durability is the frame.  Vuarnet uses/used a very simple nylon frame.  They don't give very good side protection but they do give decent eye protection.  We made side shields from duct tape bitd.  But the frames fold very flat so lens and frame are well protected just by the frame design.



On of my few quarrels is the frames is sometimes they just don't fit well.  I have several pairs of Vuarnets now and all the same cateye frames. One pair of them is a little bent and dig into my ear.  It soon becomes painful.  None of my other frames do the same.  Easy enough to remold the frames (or change lens) either in boiling water or in the oven at 220F.  I have yet to fix the pair of frames I find annoying.  But I need to soon!

Rapid temperature chances will make these guys fog up.  It is annoying.  Once the lens heats up a bit generally it is fine and no more fogging.  But do a face plant skiing with these or pull them out of the case in a cold car and they will fog.  Minor issue but still annoying.

As a driving glass?  If you need a sun glass while driving these work exceptionally well.  You have plenty of eye protection even in bright light and full peripheral vision.  They aren't so dark as to hinder you in and out of a tunnel or going from dark shade to bright sun light,  If the frames fit right they are exceptionally comfortable (on my head).  Still one of the very best sun glasses lens and frame combos available  for every day use on or off the mountain imo.  No question the most durable and tough sun glasses in this review.



If you look closely at the title picture in this thread you will get a good idea of the lightest tint of the two photochromic lens.  Both the Julbo and the Cebe lens are not affected by the sun if they are shaded through windshield glass.  Once out in bright sunlight both lens act accordingly and change to the amount of protection required.  For me that is a good thing.  As you can see either the Cebe or the Julbo offer some degree of protection behind the windshield.  Either might be appropriate on different days depending on the sun light available.  The Julbo the lighter of the two obviously to start.



But lets talk about the Cebe Ice 8000 Cébé Variochrom Peak!   Hey, Jeff Mercier climbs in these glasses so I already knew they rocked :)   Cebe Ice 8000 Cébé Variochrom Peak (grey photochromic) Cat 2 to 4 and 5/20% of visable light transmission.

 

OK, so these are a darker lens from the get go than I generally like.  One would have to ask why I keep them around then? 


The first is they are absolutely the most comfortable frame I own.   And as secure on your head as any of them with no adjustment.  The Ice 8000 is a "gadget" frame.  Which I like a lot.   It has fold down side shields.   Take a close look in the picture below.  Shields are in the up position here.


The ear pieces rotate to collapse the frame into a smaller and less fragile package.  Ear pieces are rotated  and seen in the picture above.   And there is a really nice retainer strap that easily attaches included. 



I like this pair of sun glasses when I am wearing a wool hat.  The ear pieces can go over the hat and be even more comfortable.



Side shields down here.
 
 By far the least expensive pair of sun glasses in this review.  And as I said earlier one of the three I still use out of a couple of dozen from my original tests.   I could live with any one pair of the glasses show here.  On a budget?  The answer is simple as to what is "best" here, in the short term anyway.

As a driver?  These are pretty good all around.  On my SLC drive I wore these almost every time the sun was out.  Even behind the windshield they are dark enough to give decent protection.  On a long drive the frames additional comfort was really noticed.  The cushioned and ventilated nose piece and the soft rubber ear pieces in particular add to the comfort of these glasses.


Next up is the  Julbo Trek-Zebra (brown photochromic) Cat 2 to 4 and 7/42% of visible light transmission.  Hard not to write about gear and not have a favorite.  I recently wrote a glowing review on the Julbo Zebra lens ski goggles.   Every thing has a story.  Here is my story behind the Julbos. 
 


Last couple of years I've been using Native Sun glasses and for the most part happy with them.  But I had several pair  one with a light colored lens and the other a mirrored dark lens, on the same frame styles.  But the one pair of Natives that I liked a lot I only had one pair of frames for.  And that required me to change lens adding unintentional wear and tear to the system.  Eventually something broke and Native was really bad at the warranty time frame and eventual satisfaction.  Enough so that I went looking forr a new pair of mountain glasses.  I wasn't looking too hard for a new pair of $100+ glasses.  I ended up at REI because they are local and for the return policy.

My first pair of Zebra lens were in the Julbo Bivouak.  $160 at REI.  But my pair lacked the side shields and retaining strap.   I didn't realise anything was missing until I had used them over the weekend on a trip to Mt Rainier and then read the instruction manual.  I was impressed with the lens and frames but I took them back anyway wanting a "full meal deal" for my $160.  And you can find them online much, much cheaper.  Enough so my hardtail Harley riding, snow board buddy has adopted the black framed Bivouak as his sun glass of choice.  Bad in black??!

Julbo's Trek ear pieces are easily hand formable to any shape.  Sweat blocker has been removed above.
 
The Trek used here as a obvious Euro trash fashion accessory to good effect :-)


This is simply my favorite glasses to date.  Not because it is the most durable or the best lens or the most comfortable.  It isn't any of those things.  But it is very close on all of them and offers some attributes that I really, really like.

The Julbo is another "gaget" sun glass frame.  But even more so than the Cebe and although I haven't broken either... yet....I suspect Julbo's frame is more durable.  The Julbo Trek frames seem to be made of a softer plastic instead of the standard hard nylon or plastic.
 No clue what the material really is  but it is different!

The list of no nonsense accessories on the Trek is impressive. 

good view of the brow sweat blocker installed and grippy nose pieces


 Removable side shields (and one of the best frames available to avoid the use of side shields)
360 degree adjustable  temples
vented lens
retainer cord with easy and secure attachment
removable sweat blocker on the brow (a feature I very much appreciate)
And finally the anti fog and hydrophobic treated Zebra lens
ventilated nose piece.

The Zebra lens has a very light almost amber lens color when it is unaffected by direct sun light.  I find the shade almost perfect for much of my own driving or riding the bike in overcast weather.
The lens change in literally seconds (under 30) from a very light cat 3 yellow to a full blown dark, cat 4, brown.  The lens change so fast that I have taken to leaving a pair in the car and when it is too bright out I simply hang the Trek out the window for 30 seconds and presto...dark sun glasses as required at east for a few moments. May be not the best driving sun glass ;)  But I can forgive the Julbo Trek a lot of short comings.  Not that they have many.  Too heavy per chance?  Lens aren't tough enough?  (which you can't prove by me!)

Sweat blocker and side shields in place


I haven't found a better pair of sport glasses to date.  Among other places I use them on my road bike. There I really appreciate the sweat blocker and vented lens on hard climbs.  I like how the lens  adjust to the available light on the bike and while skiing.  Going from bright sun light to dark shade is dangerous on the bike.  The Julbos help there.  Same story skiing.  I started in bright sun the other day and ended up finishing in a dark and gloomy spring snow storm.  No need to change glasses or go to goggles.  The Julbo Trek did it all...to the point I never noticed a need for anything else.

As a bonus if you buy the right color you are bound to win the best looking sun glass contest between your buddies next time out! 

Happyman diggin his Julbo Trek glasses! 
 

Friday, April 19, 2013

A short history on rockered skis?




This is a cut and paste from the DPS web site. 

Th full unedited version can be found here:
http://www.dpsskis.com/company/timeline

I've included some of their time line here because it mirrors my own thoughts in a similar time line.  It is not an endorsement of DPS skis.  I'll do that myself much more clearly in the upcoming ski reviews along with other manufacturer's skis.  I don't think anyone can deny Stephen Drake's/DPS's involvement in the current crop of state of the art skis. 

Back in the mid '80s there were European back country skis that were wider than normal...up to 80 and 85mm under foot.  The Rossignol Alps 3000s was an example.  They had  much bigger tip curves to help get the tips out of the snow and on plane quicker.  Typically skied in a 180cm or a 190cm.  Short when a 200 or 205cm ski was more typical for the adult male.  The short and fat, Alps 3000 was a common ski for Canadian Heli Guides at the time.

Prehistoric, The Rumblings: 1997-2002

1997DPS founder, Stephan Drake, is spending his second season in Las Leñas, Argentina. He is on Rossignol Viper skis, 60-something mm underfoot. After a 1-meter storm, he makes his 100th over-the-head face shot turn down Eduardos. He collapses in a pile of exhausted sweat at the bottom. His pro snowboarder roommate ollies over him at 50 mph and slashes a huge wave feature at the bottom couloir exit. Stephan (and Dane) wants freedom from the fall line, and ponders quitting skiing and taking up snowboarding.

1998Drake picks up Volkl Snow Rangers and Rossignol Bandit XXX's—temporary solutions that offer glimmers of hope.

1999Drake buys a dusty pair of Atomic Powder Pluses sitting unused in the backroom of a Colorado ski shop. 115mm underfoot and surfable, he takes them down to Las Leñas the following season. There will be no more thoughts of snowboarding from this point on.

2000Drake lands a cliff in the Aspen backcountry, and bends the tips of his heavy metal Powder Pluses into a Rockered shape. Initially he is bummed. After skiing them further, the skis take on a whole new life; they ski more dead, but are surprisingly more surfable. The fall line opens up.

2000Drake is spending every summer surfing pow in Las Leñas and experimenting with big skis. High speed pow skiing is now outpacing snowboards.

2000-2002Drake builds a collection of Rossignol Axioms and Atomic Powder Pluses. He custom paints their topsheets.

Beginnings: 2001-2005
2001-2002Drake is riding hard with Volkl Snowboarder and former Swiss ski team member, Cyrille Boinay in Las Leñas. Drake's skis are now 110mm underfoot, custom-painted, custom rockered Rossignol Axioms with a build date of 1993. The two chairlift rides and late nights are spent discussing how the lifestyle of storm-chasing powder junkies, and this new dynamic way of surfing powder on skis isn't being represented by manufactures or media. At Las Leñas' Atenas wine bar they conceive a new ski brand that will reflect the culture and a revolutionary ski technology—carbon fiber. Drake is tired of trekking around the backcountry and wrestling skis that weigh 14lbs/pair. He wants light, ultra-high performance versions of the double metal laminate clunkers he is skiing on. Surfing and snowboarding have it right; light equipment is best for both energy conservation and high-performance riding; carbon is the ingredient to make it happen in skis.

2002-2003DrakeBoinay, Ltd. is formed (DB Skis). A four-ski quiver is designed. A U.S. based manufacturing partner is secured. The flagship shape is the Tabla Rasa- the first 120mm underfoot pintailed, and rockered ski ever made - 30cm's of Rocker go into the design and design notes, but DB's manufacturing partner can't quite build it. It still skis great with its long nose and setback stance. In the Tabla Rasa's product and design descriptions, the benefits of "Rocker" are touted. Rocker officially enters skiing's vocabulary.

2002-2003Boinay and Drake meet Swedish ski photographer Oskar Enander in Engelberg, Switzerland. They enjoy great powder sessions and lines in classic European ski bumming fashion.

2001-2003Meanwhile, in Colorado, Shane McConkey and future DPS partner Peter Turner are building the Volant Spatula. Its design characteristics are dubbed, "Reverse Camber and Reverse Sidecut." The Spatula takes powder skiing to ‘11’.

2005Drake and Peter Turner meet in Utah. A partnership is born. Instantly they launch into discussions of flex patterns and laminate structures. The fire is rekindled for the perfect carbon fiber ski. Turner infamously tells Drake, "it will be no problem for us to build these carbon skis elsewhere." DPS is born, the vision to create the perfect ski using spaceage material continues, and the duo begin designing an entirely new five-shape quiver of skis, including the iconic and groundbreaking Lotus 138 and Lotus 120. The Lotus 138 morphs the Tabla Rasa and Spatula concepts into the first Rockered ski with sidecut: a design that is copied by another brand within 1.5 years. The Lotus 120 shape becomes the template for the iconic 120mm pintail design: a shape that practically every major and small manufacturer now produces.

2008-2009The move is made to switch back to plastic sidewalls. Another start-up issue forces yet another radical move in production engineering. Through the process, a huge breakthrough is made that gives long-term viability to the pure carbon ski concept. Now, pure carbon fiber skis can be made with the consistency and regularity of conventional fiberglass skis. All cosmetic durability issues are nailed. The warranty rate on a high-end carbon skis drops below 1 percent. The future of high-end carbon skis is secured.

2010The groundbreaking Wailer 112RP is introduced alongside a new Women's line. DPS relocates its HQ to SLC—under the shadows and deep snow of the Wasatch.

Editors note:
Bottom line?  What we can do so easily now on some of the most advanced ski designs, you simply couldn't do prior without using a snow board.

DPS Wailer 112 RPC review...aka "DPS Lotus 115"

Happy man on a DPS RPC

 
 







Product:  DPS 112 RPC (Pure Carbon construction)
 
Length Tested: 192cm
Turn Radius: 20-23m  
side cut: 144mm-115mm-127mm
Tip rocker: 480mm
Tail rocker: 384mm
Running length: 1510mm
Weight: per skis: 4lb. 5oz. 
Binding: Dynfit Radical Speed
Mount point: +1cm forward of suggested
Ski weight with bindings: 5lb. 2oz. per ski

Environment & Conditions:
Location of Test: Crystal Mountain Washington
Number of Runs: 5 full days over a 10 day late spring storm cycle
Snow Conditions: from hard packed, rain ice, to 3 feet of new mid winter snow
Demo or Own: own
Tester Info:
Height/Weight: 6'1" 190lb
Ski Days/Season: 30+
Years Skiing: 30+
Aggressiveness: Moderate 
Current Quiver: Huascaran, Aspect,  GTR, Lo5, Hi5, 112RP, 138, Broad Peak, 112RP, 138.
Home Area: Silver Mtn Idaho, Crystal Mtn and Alpental WA.
Preferred Terrain: off-piste, trees, steeps

DPS sez: The RPC shape gives up some of the Wailer 112RP's hard snow carving performance and versatility in exchange for enhanced crud and powder velocity. 
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The skinny on the up coming CT ski reviews?

Heli turns bitd
 
If someone had told me I would have the interest in writing a ski review on Cold Thistle a couple of years ago I'd have laughed.  "No way in hell!"

A couple of reasons for that.  I really don't have that much interest in skis or ski gear.  The other is I don't have the technical knowledge  to do  as good of job at it as I would like.

But...just as my original hunt for a good "climbing down jacket"  ended up starting this blog and the gear reviews.  My hunt for a decent ski  for my own use has convinced me to write down what I have been learning over the past few seasons about skis (boots and bindings as well) and go back to the base of knowledge I gained in the early '70s through mid '80s on ski technology working in shops as a mechanic and boot fitter.  I am not trying to apply the old knowledge base to the current technology  and crop of skis.

My typical answer when questioned about skis in the last decade or so has been, "they are fine..they turn left and they turn right".  Some thought I was actually joking,,,I wasn't.  Skis are simply tools to me.  It helps to know the tool you need and to be able to choose the right tool as required.   But it is a poor craftsman that blames failure on his tools.  A couple of winters ago I got an awakening that my unused ski skills had degraded to an embarrassing level as had my ability to judge what really was "good ski gear" for my own use.

Pulling off an ill fitting ski boot high on the Vallee Blanche.
 
 
Funny now that I think back on the time I spent skiing.  All  the info here on Cold Thistle about climbing boots?  The foundation of that info is based on what I learned and know about ski boots.  Early on my skinny feet were ridiculously hard to fit  in a ski boot.   I had simply forgotten where it all started for me about how important a good boot fit really was until recently.  That in itself surprises and inspires me. 

My first three pair of plastic ski boots from the late 60's and early '70s.  The ones prior were leather!

Lange Pro

Lange Comp
 
Lange Comp
 


My last pair of Langes, The Banshee,1973

I first saw a pair of Dynafit TLT Performance boots at the OR show several years ago.  Then again as they first became available in the Chamonix shops.  I scoffed at the $1000 price tag at OR and again in Chamonix.  By that spring I was desperate to own a pair.  Now?  The TLT and the second generation boots (Dynafit One) that came from the original TLT idea are my favorite boots for more than just skiing.  As a crossover for ski mountaineering and ice climbing they are exceptional boots for the amount of  control you can have while  skiing in them.  In a lot of ways the TLT reminds me of the old Scott Superlight series of boots actually.  I had a buddy that added a Vibram sole to his and climbed in them as well.


Jeff on steep ice with a TLT.
 
 
And I would eventually find all sorts of uses for my own TLTs.
 
What I didn't realise at the time is just how import the skis would/had become and just how different the skis designs were now.  If I am going to be an advocate of ski mountaineering and the use of ski boots to climb technical ground with, I had better square away a few thoughts on skis as well.

I found a few of us out here looking for the same things or very close to it in skis.  If you have a mountaineering back ground the current rando race gear is going to have some appeal.  If you learned to ski (as most do) at a lifted served ski area you are likely looking at good down hill performance as well.  I want a good skis on a groomed slope as well as off piste when in really bad snow conditions.
All that is possible btw.

My bet is with a similar back ground we have all been looking at similar skis.  To that point I'll eventually be writing up reviews on the skis I have been on in the last couple of seasons.

Most importantly the choice in ski is as individual or may be even more so than a well fitting pair of climbing boots.  What works for me you might hate.   Or the other way around...which is what got me started looking for a "better" ski in the first place.

How a ski performs depends on so many things, your ability, your own boots and the snow conditions.  So you will see a lot of back ground info and details on each ski test (mine and others).

The idea here is to get you into a ski you will enjoy for your own purposes not sell you any particular ski.   If you happen to have the similar gear,  physical attributes and skill set as Dave Searle, Jerry Johnson  or myself, lucky you!  If not hopefully you'll be able to glean enough info from the reviews  to at least get started in the right direction on a decent ski choice for your own use.

But I can tell you quite clearly the gear available now will enable a decent skier to easily..as in really easily...ski terrain and snow conditions that even a decade or two ago was unrealistic for anyone but an expert, very experienced skier.  There are some down sides to that fact...like the need for more snow, avalanche and forecasting knowledge.  The knowledge is now required because the newest skis have opened up so much more terrain to less experienced skiers.  It is a double edged sword.  You can ski more places easily.  But you can also get yourself killed a lot quicker as well by making a bad choice in the wrong snow conditions.

Oh, and you poor bastards on snow boards?  If you want to climb and explore the back country?  Get a pair of skis :-)  You'll go farther, faster and with less effort in places you simply can't go on a snow board.  Same places you would also be hard pressed on a split board.  More on that subject at some point as well. 

Patagonia Micro D 1/4 Zip Synchilla

11K on Denali


When I get really confused as to what is available on the market for clothing today I generally think back to a specific piece of gear I want to duplicate with what is available now.  If nothing else I am a creature of habit.  Earlier this year went looking for a upper layering shirt/sweater weight upper that I had owned twice in the past.  It was a really simple mid weight pile jacket that wasn't very durable but it was very warm and breathed exceptionally well.  That one I have yet to replace but I might be close.  Likely one or the other is a modern, Patagonia Men's R2® Jacket or the Better Sweater?  But I am open to suggestions.

The usual suspects in the same sweater/jacket



But this blog isn't about that sweater.  The sweater and how much I liked and used it got me thinking about what was under that sweater I used and liked so much.  That was an expedition weight 1/4 zip T-neck.  That one I also liked a lot and didn't have in my closet any longer.  Thankfully because iirc it got pretty rank in the end.

This is actually the first in a series on current Patagonia Alpine clothing.  In the last few decades I have not been a big fan of Patagonia.  But as you can see I have been in the distant past.   I don't generally write about gear I don't use and like.  A series on Patagonia surprises me....but my experience this winter showed me it was well deserved.

When I finally started counting, Patagonia clothing made up a shockingly large percentage of the clothing I used in the alpine.  Even more so this winter.

So to the topic at hand?  That 1/4 zip expedition weight fleece?  More than one Patagonia advocate tried to convince me the Capilene 3 and 4 were a good choice.  I have several R1 hoodies and pullovers.  I didn't want the typical grid patterns in any form.  But I wasn't quite sure why.  I guess it was because I didn't really like it as insulation or wind protection.  R1 and the Caps are good at keeping you dry but not really what I as looking for.  I guess what I really wanted was something more old school.  Better wind resistance, more creature comfort if you weren't working hard (read soft next to the skin) and more warmth from the garment.

I have to admit...none of this would have ever happened if the Cap 4 didn't retail for $99.   The Micro D 1/4 zip retails for $59.00



Patagonia sez:

A lightweight, warm, and fast-drying u-zip microfleece that works as either insulation or an outer layer. 

Key Features of the Patagonia Micro D 1/4 Zip Fleece:
  • Ultrasoft, quick-dry, microdenier fleece
  • Zip-through stand-up collar; u-front zip
  • Clean-finished hem and cuffs
  • Hip length
  • Regular fit
  • (8.4 oz) 238 g
  • Fabric: 4.7-oz 100% microdenier polyester (85% recycled) fleece

What I say?

I don't own another piece of clothing that is as warm for the weight or as comfortable next to the skin as the Micro D.  I generally wear a thin base layer under it for skiing.  But nothing warmer in that application that I own.  Too warm for back country skiing I think and it doesn't breath well or get rid of the moisture as fast as I would like.  No question it is not an R1 layer.  But then it is more wind proof and warmer I think as well.  It has limitations if you want to  move quickly and know you will be sweating.  I haven't bothered yet to see how it does next to the skin.  Although I did use something similar in the distant past as a base layer.  I might try that again knowing full well the limitations of this pile fabric.  Knowing that it dry fast is a big help.  The more I think of it the more places I think about using the Micro D in the mountains.

Some times it is just figuring out how to use a fabric to best effect.  This is a pile that I really like but it took me most of the winter to find a place in my own "clothing system" for it to be the most effective.  Now I have a hard time going skiing, on lift or side country when I don't take the Micro D.  I bought the first one on a lark....choking on the Cap 4 price.  I figured what the heck. "Patagonia has a stellar return policy..I can't loose here".

The other day all my ski clothes badly needed cleaning.  But it was cold in the house and I was tired but needed to be working.  I wanted something warm and soft to wear around the office.  Jeans, flips and a Micro D made my day!  Just as the Mirco D did in the last big storm cycle on the mountain.  At that point I knew I'd better buy another.  And at $59. it was an easy decision.
     
    My vote is for the brighter colors!

Wednesday, April 17, 2013

Tuesday, April 16, 2013

For some reason it seems to be a Julbo week.   Fun stuff with Glenn Plake here and a nice video skiing in Chamonix just a few weeks ago.  As good as the skiing has been in the PNW recently....the truth is the comparison to skiing in  Chamonix is like comparing your local climbing gym to the experience in Yosemite.  Enjoy!


Julbo team in Chamonix - Skiing with Glen Plake from Tom Runcie on Vimeo.

Skis reviews at Cold Thistle?



The way Cold Thistle started was me going on the hunt for a decent down jacket.  I learned a few things in the process.  Mostly what I wanted, wasn't want most people bought. 

Skiing has been important in my life off and on.  Not really all that important now but I still don't want what most people buy.  A lot of reasons for that and likely not all of them good or relevant to you.  But I am finding some issues I might consider serious flaws, if only I knew more about the subject.  So what you'll get is some opinion.  Not all based in fact,  just my experience. 

Not the first time I have gotten to this point, when what I would have thought were reliable resources I have been reading on the Internet come up with totally difference conclusions than I do.

But no matter :-)  I'll be writing some ski reviews shortly.  Boots and bindings as well at some point.

Here is a teaser as to what skis you will have a chance to read in depth reviews on.






A quick shot of what will be reviewed should look like this:
Black Diamond
Aspect

La Sportiva
Lo5
Hi5
GTR

More on La sportiva skis..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fbinjGpIvI

Dynafit
SevenSummit
Broad Peak
Huascaran @177cm and 196cm

more here on the Huascaran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Bf35O81GU


DPS
Wailer 99 Pure
Wailer 112 RP Pure
Wailer 112 RPC Pure
Lotus 138,  Pure, 3.2 rocker version

more here on the 112s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq2VAjV8bJo


Rossi Series for 2013/14
Soul 7
Squad 7
Super 7

More here on the 7s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA4OM4Wzbyo

Avalanche!

Photo courtesy of  Tunc Findik and the Mirror
 
A couple of years ago on our first day of the season in Chamonix two buddies and I took the tram up to the top of the Grand  Montets for some fresh air, to stretch our legs from the travel and to get a feel for the place.

Like ANY mountain environment it is a BIG place!

A few minutes later both of my friends were swept away in an slab avalanche.   They took a 1/3 of a mile  ride and both were totally buried at some point.  Thankfully both survived with only minor physical injuries.  Mentally I hope that neither will ever be the same.  I hope that experience haunts them both forever.  Hopefully they will always be more considerate of the terrain and snow conditions now.  Then worry about what they want to be doing.

That isn't my only nightmare about snow.  I intentionally try to remember them all every time I go into the mountains again.  And the friends that are no longer around for a simple mistake.

Every year several people die in avalanches very close to where I live.  It is a maritime snow pack here.  Lots of snow here and rapidly changing conditions.  But not all that different really from any other mountains I have lived in.  The Rockies or Selkirks are not all that much different.  Most of the year they are our play grounds.  Part of the year they are death traps.

Knowing the difference is like playing ball at the school yard or playing ball in the middle of a busy freeway.  Sounds just like alpine climbing doesn't it?  Two people died over the weekend within miles of my house.  Others were injured.  I drove an extra hour to spent the weekend skiing in the relative comfort of a ski area and several thousand feet higher in elevation.  Skiing in what was likely the last big winter storm cycle of the year.  Even inside a controlled and skier packed ski area the conditions were rapidly changing and iffy IMO on certain aspects at different times during the day.  Pays to notice such things.  No one owes you a freebie...even the ski area or their Ski Patrol.

Early in that storm we were skiing 2 feet or more of lwt powder laid on a rain layer that had frozen solid prior to the newest snow fall.  Imagine that potential on even moderate slopes.  The lower you went on the mountain, the higher the moisture in the new snow pack.  And the higher a chance of a dangerious slide.  The elevation where I got on the lift became a death  zone with a bigger dump of snow in such a short time.  The higher you got, the less problematic the conditions were...that day...where i was.  And that was just a few air miles away from the fatal slides.

Miles Smart, an American Alpine guide living in Chamonix posted this on Facebook today with a good photo selection, "One of today's many avalanches. It was a good day to have a beer in the sun wearing flip flops."

You don't have to be a UIAGM mountain guide to know when it is best to stay out of the mountains or find a better place to enjoy them.   Being in a developed American ski area doesn't eliminate all risk.  Nothing does.  And it isn't wilderness.  But better to be around people for a day in the snow than found buried in it.

Trust no one.  Make your own decisions.  In the case of snow conditions?  Always error on the side of caution.  It is only luck that gives you "overs" in an avalanche.

Below, is the  the run out, at the scene of the crime, in 2011.  Literally a 5 minute walk or less from the lift.

Kinda looks like a giant head stone doesn't it?
Three Nomics are buried there now.  Luckily no Americans ..this time.


    

Steck on training


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gMIUb4fb04

Monday, April 15, 2013

Best climb of 2012 IMO?



Shiva - Piolets d'Or 2013 from Planetmountain.com on Vimeo.

Ski and mountaineering Goggles?




My buddy Dave and I were talking goggles the other day.  Both of us have more gear than any one person should ever own.   So it is always a fun conversation when we get together a few times each year.   I consider myself,  "one who is interested in the details".  Last I saw of Dave's gear room, "hoarder" came to mind a little too quickly :)   Dave might see it all differently!

He mentioned he had so many pairs of goggles he can't keep track.  And none he cared to comment on.  Until recently I still used 2 pair of goggles that are well over 20 years old.  A pair of Smith Cariboo OTG and a pair of Bolle Irex 100s.   See, I really do try to take care of my kit ;)  And I know exactly how many pairs of goggles I have...or had.

When I decided to spend a winter climbing in Chamonix I didn't want to take any of my "good" goggles. So I dropped by the local REI and picked up some Smith medium frame dbl lens goggles on sale.  Hadn't had new goggles in like ...20 plus years!  So I was thrilled with the results.  I ended up giving them away at the end of my stay.  Less than $20 on sale.  They were great goggles worth passing on.  And handy on the Midi arete in stormy weather!




I noticed Dave was using a pair of Oakley's last time we were out.  And that Dave and Sam had really wanted goggles (any goggles)  in that bit of spindrift on the Ben.   Sometimes simply being able to see is a good thing.  Goggles can help.

A nice day for goggles, if you have them.


Last fall I went through something like 2 dozen pair of sun glasses wanting to add a educated review of just a few styles that were available.  The more I looked at sun glasses the more detailed and interesting the info became.  Problem was, I really didn't care.  I just wanted a good pair of  sun glasses.  Having owned and used some of the best sunglasses available in the last few decades kept me from looking too far or spending  a lot of money.  And you could spend a LOT of money on sunglasses at close to $200 a pop for some of the best known brands.  Thankfully folks like Optic Nerve are at least offering some better alternatives for price.  But if you look deep enough the prices for the best available sunglasses are justified, if you understand the consequences of a lifetime of exposure to bright sunlight on your eyes.

Two part look at glasses last Fall :

http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2012/09/sun-glasses-part-one.html

http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2012/11/sunglasses-part-2.html

The best of the "new" glasses I found were all photochromic or light sensitive.  I've found the best glasses for my own use are all photochromic.   As I have aged I don't need the really dark lens,  Better yet what I can really use is a lens that will change to a very light shade at dusk and dawn and darken mid day when I really need the protection.  I found the Zebra lens from Julbo to do everything I needed in the mountains as a sun glass. I've mentioned that before and will again soon.

I leave a pair of the photochromic Optic Nerve glasses in my wifes' car fro when I am an impromptu  passenger.   As I finished the sun glass review I sent a link to Julbo letting the know my excitement about the Trek and Bivouac sunglasses

Julbo seemed pleased and asked if I was interested in seeing some of the new Julbo ski goggles.  At the time the last thing I wanted to do was another commentary and the research required for a blog post on ski goggles.   As my buddy Dave said, " I have a bunch of them and they all work".  I mean really, how different can a goggle be?

Earlier this winter I had spent a rather trying day skiing the last day of a big storm cycle in Idaho.  The snow was deep and soft and really wet and cold.  I wasn't having the best day.  I had gotten wet and cold early on by choosing the wrong clothing.  Imagine how foolish one feels when you make that kind of mistake with two spare bedrooms full of high tech clothing and gear sitting at home.  At the end of the day I was out of energy and desire.  One last powder run was almost too much.  My goggles had fogged up on last boot pack and got worse on the next chair ride up.  I was ready to pack it in...when my partner that day chuckled and said.."it is just your goggles fogged up."  In reality it was my goggles and my brain that were fogged.  I was toasted and ready to be put on the plate.  It was a bit embarrassing actually.  I should have known my goggles were fogged.  I stopped, wiped them out and  made that last boot pack up the ridge line.  And was rewarded with a final and amazing powder run down as the skis cleared for the first time that day.  But I was also glad the day was over.

The goggles were new Smith Cariboos.  A goggle style that had never failed me skiing.  But when I got home I did make the effort and hunted up a pair of Smith Turbos.  I didn't fog the next time we skied power or boot packed into some powder shots.  But a fan?  Come on?!  I thought the "turbo fan" was a little over the top 30 years ago.  I still do.  All in a nice way of course ;)

All of which got me thinking about looking at some other goggle brands.  I'm not a big fan of gimmicks.  And I still think a electric fan on a pair of goggles is a gimmick. One that works of course and that I like...but still a gimmick.

The Smith Phenom Turbo Fan goggle.  They work...but there are simplier answers to be had.


And that earlier conversation with Julbo came to mind. As much as I liked the Zebra sun glasses, I had to wonder just how bad could the Julbo *Zebra lens* goggles be.  I ordered three pair.

First I have used the Zebra goggles was last week.  As I said generally a Smith fan and in the right snow and temps a turbo fan. In bright sun, an older pair of  Bolle Irex 100s.  We are talking old school there..with the Bolle Irex 100.

I packed up a pair of new Smith goggles...that I really like. Should be, as I have been  using the same basic goggle for 30 years!  The Cariboo model btw.

The last run for a pair of 30 year Smiths...the top and side foam disintegrated in the wind that day.  And a clear lens on a sunny day?  What was I thinking?  The answer to my own stupidity and inability to pay attention?  PHOTOCHROMIC lens!  It only takes one day of skiing to drive that lesson home.  


Then at the last minute I stashed the pair of med framed Julbo Revolution google in the go-bag as well.  And I really don't like medium framed goggles.  I prefer a wider field of visibility.  I like seeing the yahoos screaming in from behind me on the local pistes.   But the Julbo Revolution is pretty good on that issue as a medium frame.  These are the only medium frame I own btw.  And when these are gone I'll get another.  It is a good frame.

Putting on my boots in the parking lot.  It is snowing...2 minutes later the sun comes out...this happens 1/2 dozen times before I even get full kitted up and headed for the gondola.  Obvious what goggles I want to use -AGAIN-today...Zebra lens Julbo.

I'd always thought Smith was good on the anti fog...but then I "had" to buy a pair of Turbos this winter.  Because if I was working hard enough in the new snow I was fogging up on occasion.  More snow here and working harder yet.   And the Julbos haven't fogged to date...not once!  Not when coming in hot to the gondola and 7 sweaty passengers stuffed in the cabin with me...not on the boot
packs and sweating like a pig for the freshies.  Same boot pack I was stripping my shell to hike in but not needing to remove my Julbos! The hydrophobic and anti fog coatings really do work on these double lens goggles.  The coatings and anti fog effects work a lot better than my newest Smiths and Scott goggles as comparison examples.

Also worth noting how well the Julbo goggle frames are designed to work with a helmet.  I skied with a GOPro for the 2nd time the other day.  I was impressed at just how well the goggles fit my helmet.  It has nto always been that way.

Good example of the "extended outrigger" on the Julbo Orbiter's XL frame.  It makes for an exceptionally good fit with a helmet.


I can still see in some pretty flat light and bright sun...as the lens QUICKLY (changes in less than 30 seconds light to dark or dark to light)  when, or as, required.   With sun protection from Category 2 to 4.  There is still an environment where the light is flat and it is hard to see.  But that light condition happens in a smaller  percentage of time with the Zebra lens imo.

Add a sticky silicon strap and a double, full ventilated lens with several hydrophobic and anti fog treatment coatings and you have an exceptional piece of high tech gear here.  Gear that works...and you will never notice.  It is only the very best gear that you never notice.

Turns out I should have taken up that suggestion of a goggle review early on.   I don't find goggles nearly so boring now.  And now, seriously,  the Zebra goggles are one of my most prized ski  possessions.  Funny..I have two new pair of goggles.  Likely  two pair I'll never wear again unless of course I loose the Julbos.   I mean really. how much difference is there between goggles?  Turns out there is a LOT of difference if you bother to take a look

Kick'in the boot pack for some extra turns!  Hot and sweaty work and still able to keep my Julbo medium frame goggles on with no fogging.  Almost impossible with a XL frame and never actually experienced by me with a medium framed goggle.   Outstanding preformance by Julbo!  
 
Imagine what these would be like if you were using them for climbing...if you actually needed a goggle for climbing :)
 
 





Thursday, April 4, 2013

Skimo in Chamonix by Dave Searle

Courtes North East Slope and more…

This last few weeks has been crazy. So many good ski days with good friends in cool places. This week I managed to get a cheeky lap of the Bec de Rosses NF in Verbier. It is an iconic face due to its looming presence over the Verbier Ski resort and its fame from the Freeride World Tour finals. I was surprised how unsuitable it is for skiing with weaving no-fall couloirs, hidden sharks (rocks under the snow) and massive exposure at the top, yet they still hold one of the most prestigious freeride events there and everyone goes oh so fast. Scary.
Today, however was something else. It feels like a while since I have had a big day out (except for my last big day off the midi). I’d seen some photo’s of the NE slope of the Courtes looking in primo conditions and knew that it could be my first real chance to ski it in good snow. I had a feeling that it was going to be busy and I had mentally prepared myself for a race…. With the growing popularity of skiing steep lines in Cham the key is speed from the word go, unless you want to be behind someone on a snowy face where you could easily get knocked of by a sluff from above. I knew this and in my mind I was ready to go as fast as I could to get to the top first. I set out with Davide de Masi, Liz Daley, Drew Tabke and Tom Grant but, for a number of reasons I ended up being the only one to ski that line. I was pretty lit for it and only the sight of two guys halfway up the face who had started from the hut (cheaters) gave me the slightest doubt as to whether it was the wrong thing to do. I charged up their boot pack and arrived at the col 10 mins after they had started skiing. They sent a sizable sluff of the face which nearly took out a couple of my friends who were starting up the bottom third. When they passed me I warned them, as politely as I could, that they should exercise caution as there were people below who they could hit with there sluff. They exploded at me and a minor argument fired up which I thought was pretty peculiar given the situation. I think they were just jacked up on skiing a big line like this in good snow and had little to no respect for others because of it. I got to the top and waited for the next guy behind me, Niki, to get to the col. I had been monitoring the other teams on the face and decided it was a good time to ski. Everyone below was in safe spots and I could weave a line around them and not drown them in my sluff. The snow was incredible and the line lived up to my expectations and more. Perfect skiing angle and face. Truly a skiers dream and something I have wanted to ski for a long time. 15 minutes (at 12.20) later I arrived at the flat glacier at the bottom to find Tom, Liz and Dave soaking up some rays.
I was keen for some more so we quickly decided to go up for a look at the Col Des Cristaux. We started up with caution knowing that there were 6 people above us who could drop in and sluff us. I had to break a different track up the first third to stay out of the way of the teams above, which was a tough few hundred meters of deep faceted snow. On the way up we watched some of the people dropping into the already crusty snow at the top and quickly made the decision to turn around when it stopped being good. We stopped a few hundred meters short of the col. The snow was once again incredible and we all arrived at the bottom within a few minutes of each other. Skiing back to the car my legs were about ready to give up on me.
Such a fun, long day which really challenged my fitness and provided 1500m of awesome skiing in what still is one of the best skiing areas of the world. Thanks all who were involved (except the rude, arrogant guys on the courtes, you nearly ruined my day).
The Northeast Slope of the Courtes
The North East Slope of the Courtes
Looking down from the col  waiting for Niki to top out.
Looking down from the col waiting for Niki to top out.
Happy times back at the bottom, Still psyched on my La Sportiva Lo5's.
Happy times back at the bottom, Still psyched on my La Sportiva Lo5′s.

Monday, April 1, 2013