tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post8141636927239896445..comments2024-03-16T10:11:19.302-07:00Comments on Cold Thistle: Primaloft?Danehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-41866979706084887872013-11-11T13:37:06.074-08:002013-11-11T13:37:06.074-08:00Do the math.
Primaloft One 0.92 dry / .90 wet, cl...Do the math.<br /><br />Primaloft One 0.92 dry / .90 wet, clo/oz <br /><br />ECO .68 dry/ .60 wet, clo/oz <br /><br />Takes a lot more Eco to hit the same clo as One. The physical difference between a 60g sweater layer and a 100g jacket layer is pretty clear. But the 100g Eco jacket will be warmer. Just not by much.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-77384283316018966182013-11-11T12:39:14.966-08:002013-11-11T12:39:14.966-08:00Very interesing! Today Primaloft ONE is favoured f...Very interesing! Today Primaloft ONE is favoured from most manufacturers. Generally 60 g/m2 is used. I am wondering what is more insulating ONE 60 g/m2 or ECO 100 g/m2 ...<br /><br />Volker<br />vao@gmx.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-14387249821591556882012-12-13T07:47:08.501-08:002012-12-13T07:47:08.501-08:00Hello,
just wondering why no (major) manufacturer...Hello,<br /><br />just wondering why no (major) manufacturer is using Primaloft 1 for sleeping bags?<br />I am in the market for a lightweight compressible (+-1100g) bag that will withstand a few nights in a soggy snow-hole or bivy ledges without turning into cold and wet mess. I'm not looking for super warmth, just something that will keep me somewhat comfortable during the night. I usually run quite hot while climbing/moving but cool down quickly and sleep cold. <br />In my experience down just does not cut it in such conditions.Zgembahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605920108905446931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-3780984700584202162012-12-06T16:47:40.811-08:002012-12-06T16:47:40.811-08:00Sounds perfect to me.Sounds perfect to me.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-79433866115740066282012-12-06T15:51:10.654-08:002012-12-06T15:51:10.654-08:00Just picked up a TNF red point optimus. 100g P1, d...Just picked up a TNF red point optimus. 100g P1, double main zipper, no lining on the pockets, external chest and internal chest pocket, internal mesh pocket sized for a nalgene/gloves, helmet compatible hood. The listed weight was 26oz, but my Med came in at 20oz. All for $200. Sounds very close to you're list. Thoughts?Jesse in COnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-45422353310499131832012-12-05T12:35:14.520-08:002012-12-05T12:35:14.520-08:00"Sneaky buggers!" Ya think? :)"Sneaky buggers!" Ya think? :)Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-6412659576627111142012-12-05T09:10:30.011-08:002012-12-05T09:10:30.011-08:00Now I know why some of the garment makers aren'...Now I know why some of the garment makers aren't specifying "Primaloft ONE" in their catalogs. Sneaky buggers!Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16339382626850849073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-86106146265354628812012-12-03T11:59:26.300-08:002012-12-03T11:59:26.300-08:00MEC has their entire Northern Lite jacket series o...MEC has their entire Northern Lite jacket series on sale right now, and I was thinking their Northern Lite Ultra would make an excellent belay jacket in this category.<br /><br />I tend to be colder than average, so 135g and 200g Primaloft 1 throughout the body sounds warm enough for me. $115 sounds like an amazing deal for a jacket like this. They also have the Stormfury at $125 for something in the 60g/100g insulation range.<br /><br />http://www.mec.ca/AST/ShopMEC/MensClothing/InsulatedOuterwear/Synthetic.jspskovalenkonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-54654029466526128962012-12-01T04:02:44.992-08:002012-12-01T04:02:44.992-08:00TNF Men's Red Point Optimus Jacket, isn't ...TNF Men's Red Point Optimus Jacket, isn't it?Òscar Ballespíhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521416467303377305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-89946369188611844672012-11-29T17:42:42.384-08:002012-11-29T17:42:42.384-08:00This forum post has tons and tons of data regardin...This forum post has tons and tons of data regarding clothing warmth, with the 4th from the bottom having lots of good information about synthetics (geeky but good info):<br /><br />http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=18950&disable_pagination=1&skip_to_post=501781#501781Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-85953922449448548292012-11-29T17:10:43.400-08:002012-11-29T17:10:43.400-08:00As I am sure you are aware the # of jackets offere...As I am sure you are aware the # of jackets offered with some sort of treated water resistant down goes way up in 2013 - Moutain Hardwear, Marmot and Patagonia (limited to 1 style direct via their website last I heard) being vendors I can remember off the top of my head with new offerings...<br /><br />Look forward to reading more reviews - testing and numbers are important but really (imho) don't adequately predict performance and good reviews are surprisingly scarce!<br /><br />Love the blog - Thanks,<br />Charles Miles<br />charles@cmiles.infoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08953542307016004362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-79885367429560087442012-11-29T15:34:42.891-08:002012-11-29T15:34:42.891-08:00Interested in this topic since I'm in the mark...Interested in this topic since I'm in the market for a belay jacket. There is a great deal of extremely valuable information related to this topic on the BPL forums, but there is alot to wade through to get it. Richard Nisley on the forum does alot of great CLO testing and also discusses practical (and theoretical) clothing/warmth issues. <br /><br />Right now I'm looking for a lightweight hooded primaloft (1 of course)jacket with about 100-120 g/m of insulation to pair with my RAB Generator Alpine for a more versatile belay jacket system than a single heavier piece like a DAS Parka. Most I find are either too heavy, use eco or sport insulation, or have 60g insulation. The closest I've found is the Brooks Range Cirro Extreme, but they can't make it with a two way belay zipper. I may still go with it anyway if I don't find an alternative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-33062687262299089072012-11-29T14:00:09.718-08:002012-11-29T14:00:09.718-08:00600 down, Charles? Where did you get that number ...600 down, Charles? Where did you get that number when Primaloft only gives themselves 550 at best and others much less. Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-88684768585595593362012-11-28T21:57:51.999-08:002012-11-28T21:57:51.999-08:00Hi James, thanks for the link. I don't trust ...Hi James, thanks for the link. I don't trust any one manufacture's testing. I'd rather see independant testing. Patagonia? Sad for all the claims and reputation. DAS is Primaloft 1. The Micro Puff (a poor copy of the Atom SV imo) is 100-g PrimaLoft Sport. MH Compressor Hoody started out as a Primaloft 1 garment, then went to Primaloft Eco to cut costs and now is 100g Thermic Micro TK. If it were Primaloft 1 I'd still one one...but not now.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-75896027976957691842012-11-28T21:30:45.364-08:002012-11-28T21:30:45.364-08:00I like the post, Dane. I complain a lot about synt...I like the post, Dane. I complain a lot about synthetic insulation, just because it's so variable. Then again, so is down. I can see that we found some of our numbers in the same place, but by my math, primaloft one is equivalent to about 600-fill down. I'd recommend checking out Marmot Thermal R as well. Quite similar to Coreloft. Dunno if you're interested, but I wrote about the same topic a few months ago. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.<br /><br />http://blessedoutdoors.blogspot.ca/2012/08/marmot-thermal-r-eco-insulation-how.htmlJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14228564825123601389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-21032240873013753292012-11-28T18:37:48.916-08:002012-11-28T18:37:48.916-08:00Hi Charles, I have not. It is on the list of &quo...Hi Charles, I have not. It is on the list of "to dos" but I haven't seen a jacket I'd want to buy yet and actually use. Likely the Brooks Range in the future.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-32660066266057991662012-11-28T18:31:54.063-08:002012-11-28T18:31:54.063-08:00Have you experimented/worn with any of the 'wa...Have you experimented/worn with any of the 'water resistant'/'waterproof' down jackets in the field?<br /><br />I have really not seen any critical/highly informed reviewers (like you) tackle the water resistant down in a meaningful way. I wonder if it will work well enough in the real world to take over some of the scenarios where synthetics are often currently preferred... (It works great in trade show demonstrations - but not really the same thing...)<br /><br />Charles Miles<br />charles@cmiles.infoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08953542307016004362noreply@blogger.com