tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post5507689727338768062..comments2024-03-16T10:11:19.302-07:00Comments on Cold Thistle: New Arc'Teryx soft shell?Danehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-18780607302786190212011-09-27T21:46:56.177-07:002011-09-27T21:46:56.177-07:00JP, I am trying to get a Acto to test in out up co...JP, I am trying to get a Acto to test in out up coming fields tests.<br /><br />But not sure it is going ot happen.<br /><br />I really like the Marmot Hyper for fabric first and price point second. But with any of these jackets you should try them on first. The Marmot Hyper won't take much abuse I suspect where some of the hybred soft shells easily will.<br /><br />Some are crazy technical fabrics that makes me hard pressed to tell the difference between a soft shell and a hard shell. Either can now be found in stretchy form but not all are. <br /><br />Several have mentioned it. I am not a fan of cuff closures and pit zips among other things if the garment is designed right. I like really simple. Done right the designs and construction can fix a lot and leave even more on the design table. But you have to decide what best serves your needs. I would never intentionally buy a jacket with pit zips. (now I have three) There are others who won't own a shell without them.<br /><br />I think a lot of it depends on where and when you climb. I have little interest in "warm weather" alpinism so no pit zips make sense to me. I am not going to be in a shell for the uphill in most weatehr. So I want some weather resistance/proofing on my very breathable outer layer. But I would ratehr it breath than no breath.<br /><br />On the other hand mesh under arms like the Atom Lt I find really useful.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-72616757114628712472011-09-27T21:29:02.341-07:002011-09-27T21:29:02.341-07:00Dane,
I would be interested in a side-by-side com...Dane,<br /><br />I would be interested in a side-by-side comparison of Arc's Acto and something made of the NeoShell material (Westcomb Apoc or Marmot Zion) and then the Marmot Hyper. Am I comparing apples to oranges? All are softshell, but it sounds like weight, stretch, fit, breath-ability and "insulation" vary amongst these. You mentioned that the Hyper had the best stretch and fit. I am interested in owning only one softshell and I certainly don't want to commit to one only to wish I had committed to another. As the others have said, the price tag on the Arc is "better" than their usual high price tags, but the price of the Hyper is even more attractive. Does the Hyper live up to the same quality construction that Arc produces? Weight is also a concern of mine.JPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-36423255964428787932011-09-27T17:54:43.749-07:002011-09-27T17:54:43.749-07:00i was just about to comment on how well priced it ...i was just about to comment on how well priced it is. I noticed it on their website a month or two ago and was very curious, very happy to hear this, again because the price is so low and the jacket so goodmarcellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10904479520337525323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-84244214557078756922011-09-27T17:13:36.146-07:002011-09-27T17:13:36.146-07:00Another thing that I don't like is cuffs that ...Another thing that I don't like is cuffs that don't adjust, I guess it may not be an issue depending on what glove system you use but if my shell is going to be over a 18 ounces might have some more features.Daniel Harrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01272203765289644677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-63900015092666416682011-09-27T14:19:16.876-07:002011-09-27T14:19:16.876-07:00I bought my wife a FrontPoint for $48 on closeout....I bought my wife a FrontPoint for $48 on closeout.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023513087034699039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-72445451277709013302011-09-27T10:18:40.661-07:002011-09-27T10:18:40.661-07:00I have a Squamish and it is a decent shell. Just ...I have a Squamish and it is a decent shell. Just depends on the temps you are dealing with and the insulation required.<br /><br />Squamish is good while you are moving and the sun is up but more of a summer piece than a winter one for me. Perfect on Rainier in good weather in mid summer.<br /><br />Not so useful mid winter although I have used it some in the icefields and in Hylite.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-70640035785605946782011-09-27T08:18:25.715-07:002011-09-27T08:18:25.715-07:00I'm with Daniel on this. My favorite and most ...I'm with Daniel on this. My favorite and most used soft shell is an old Patagonia Ready Mix. 14oz, dries super fast, just enough stretch, great breathability. Always wondered why they made something heavier or why no one else made something similar. It seems like a 10oz Houdini or Squamish would be a great jacket for a lot of conditions. A little beefier, some stretch, and a pocket or two....Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01023324133765252634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-79169896630907020192011-09-26T20:49:19.515-07:002011-09-26T20:49:19.515-07:00Daniel, I got a Arc'teryx Venta in today and y...Daniel, I got a Arc'teryx Venta in today and you are correct it is insulated as well. Weight is 20oz. Take a look at the hybred Hyper jacket by Marmot. 12oz.<br /><br />http://marmot.com/products/hyper_jacket?p=216,303Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-73551379565482939382011-09-26T20:03:21.454-07:002011-09-26T20:03:21.454-07:00Why are the soft shells out all insulated? I find...Why are the soft shells out all insulated? I find them harder to layer with and far too heavy. This Acto hoody is 18 ounces, too bad they don't make a simple shell under 12 ounces, like their hardshell cousins.Daniel Harrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01272203765289644677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-34703591370450066992011-09-26T17:37:23.131-07:002011-09-26T17:37:23.131-07:00NM,
Funny you should ask. I have something like $...NM,<br />Funny you should ask. I have something like $5000 plus worth of current state of the art shells on loan here right now for a field test and review I am planning.<br /><br />Sadly Eddie Bauer is no longer making the Frontpoint. Which i think is a mistake.<br /><br />But it is a direct competitor to any of the jackets I have here now for review and obvioulsy better than many of them. The FP can be found for $70 on Ebay at this moment. Which simply amazes me.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-39239402401944582752011-09-26T17:11:44.487-07:002011-09-26T17:11:44.487-07:00Dane, I know you have praised the Eddie Bauer Fron...Dane, I know you have praised the Eddie Bauer Frontpoint in the past. How do you guess that fits in, as a direct competitor, or as a partner, one better for some conditions, one better for other conditions?NotMessnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-27878131411283562762011-09-26T15:51:21.773-07:002011-09-26T15:51:21.773-07:00It looks and sounds incredible.
I'm also plea...It looks and sounds incredible.<br /><br />I'm also pleased and impressed that Arc'teryx has gotten their price point under control lately, especially with regards to gear aimed towards climbers/alpinists (this looks pretty reasonable at $300, the Atom SV/LT hoody line at $250/$200, etc.).Julianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17418359111867504412noreply@blogger.com