tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post2703726571775434416..comments2024-03-16T10:11:19.302-07:00Comments on Cold Thistle: Double boot, Inner Boots, molding, fitting, styles and optionsDanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-10537522961713126652012-06-22T11:49:03.588-07:002012-06-22T11:49:03.588-07:00Hi Dane,
I'm not sure what happened to my fir...Hi Dane,<br /><br />I'm not sure what happened to my first message. Please excuse the double post if the first one got through.<br /><br />First of all congrats to your awesome blog. It's very informative.<br /><br />I have the Baruntse now. I am wondering about the insole.<br /><br />- What are the advantages of the insole?<br />- Does it go into the inner shoe or between the outer shoe and the inner shoe?<br />- What kind of insoles can you recommend?<br />- The shoe feels tight on the outside of my feet. Will that improve with the molding process?<br /><br />I know it's a lot of questions. Thanks a lot for your input.<br />Best from Portland,<br />DanielDanielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-59298302442633537472012-06-20T11:42:35.326-07:002012-06-20T11:42:35.326-07:00Hi Dane,
your blog is awesome. Thanks for all the...Hi Dane,<br /><br />your blog is awesome. Thanks for all the information. I have a question for the use of the liners. You say that you use footbeds? Do you put another insole into the liner? <br />Is the toecap simply to keep room in the front of the liner?<br />In the end, when you go on outings, what exactly is in your shoe? (outer boot, inner shoe + two? insoles)???<br />Do the inner shoes work better with insoles or is that for warmth?<br />What can you recommend as insoles?<br /><br />Sorry for the extensive list of questions but they all popped into my head while reading your blog.<br /><br />Thank you very much and keep up the good blog.<br />Greetings from Portland, OR<br />DanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-78941758711070333082011-11-20T06:58:26.233-08:002011-11-20T06:58:26.233-08:00Dane,
Where did you find the replacement liners f...Dane,<br /><br />Where did you find the replacement liners for the Baruntse for sale in the U.S.? I have looked all over the internet and can't find anywhere I can purchase them.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-41688315787692684072011-03-11T10:02:56.531-08:002011-03-11T10:02:56.531-08:00Hi Mark,
I did match liner size to boot size. 46...Hi Mark,<br /><br />I did match liner size to boot size. 46 liner to a 45.5/46 boot. If you want a ski boot the Intuition liners are good. They will make the Spantik a stiff boot. Too stiff to climb in for me. The Baruntse liner will fit better and is softer. The original liner is softer yet. The Baruntse the best fit. <br /><br />Certainly try forming the Spantik liner first. When I finally got mine done they made the boot much more user frindly for me.<br /><br />We've had some cold days here. But seems like spring today. So far I have been thrilled to be in the Spantiks. And for the moment on short routes I have been using the stock liners. Tha Baruntse liners are warmer. <br /><br />Worth getting them if your molded Spantik liners still don't do it for you. But the Spantik is a good boot imo once molded for your own feet.<br /><br />Not the original plan or what I wear in Canada but here I have been using just one pair of medium weight hiking socks in my Spantiks. Works fine...but the walks have been short.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-77618163205144717132011-03-11T09:36:07.781-08:002011-03-11T09:36:07.781-08:00Dane, saw that you used both Intution liners and t...Dane, saw that you used both Intution liners and then Palau's Baruntse liner in the Spantik. <br /><br />I just bought pair of size 45.5 Spantiks and I'm wondering if I won't get a slightly better fit with some molded liners, and whether it's even worth trying to mold the stock Spantik liners. My issue is foot volume (width/height) and I've found removing the two stock footbeds and using only one Superfeet footbed helps,. Also, what you said in one post about the thicker molded liners being warmer would mean I wouldn't need to wear thick socks, in which case one or two thin liners socks would be fine. Did you match the Barunste liner size to your Spantik, eg size 46 Spantik size 46 Baruntse liner? Sadly the Barutnses didn't fit my foot as well as the Spantiks.<br /><br />Anyhow, if the Baruntse or Denali Inutions are working out for you I'd love to hear a follow up, or I'll just call La Sportiva and see if they have the Barunste liners in stock. Hope the Alps are treating you well. Thanks for all the good posts.Mark Beattiehttp://marybicycles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-53309812500917014362011-02-22T21:06:27.173-08:002011-02-22T21:06:27.173-08:00Dane,
Sorry in advance for the ignorance, but woul...Dane,<br />Sorry in advance for the ignorance, but would you be so kind as to describe what exactly you employed for your "toe cap" during this thermo molding exercise? I recently picked up a pair of Spantiks and though quite happy with them I do have a low volume foot, particularly my ankle and am also having some issues with the shin area blistering from the unflexible outer boot. This being said, it only occurs on hard uneven terrain during an approach. My solution, unless you have a better idea, has been to leave the upper portion of the outer boot quite loose, thus affording some flex. Once I'm in the stuff and having to kick in or point, I cinch down the uppers and the problem doesn't seem to manifest itself under those condition. So two questions there....greatly appreciate your suggestions.<br />rRodney Tuckerhttp://www.caseps.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-56558524743445698842011-02-16T18:55:37.986-08:002011-02-16T18:55:37.986-08:00Excellent, thanks for the quick follow up Dane! I ...Excellent, thanks for the quick follow up Dane! I look forward to checking them out!Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803240050665075803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-62103512050070406692011-02-16T18:51:13.206-08:002011-02-16T18:51:13.206-08:00The Baruntse is not clunky. M6 is easy in them ev...The Baruntse is not clunky. M6 is easy in them even for me. WI6 is sweet in this boot.<br /><br />Why don't more buy them? Fools..they buy the Spantik 'cuz it looks cool. Seriously.<br /><br />Deals? Know your size. Shop on the Internet..look every day..$500 shoudl be easy. $450 if you keep looking.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-7926112670479995782011-02-16T18:21:08.503-08:002011-02-16T18:21:08.503-08:00So the Baruntse is like a Nepal Evo but warmer and...So the Baruntse is like a Nepal Evo but warmer and more supportive, plus a little bulkier? Seems like more people would be using them! Are they too chunky for alpine mixed (say, up to M6+)? Guess its about the climber not the boot. Also, do you know any way to cut that $600 tag?Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803240050665075803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-75497807065887085272011-02-16T17:19:25.659-08:002011-02-16T17:19:25.659-08:00hey Max, For all around technical climbing a good...hey Max, For all around technical climbing a good single like the Nepal will be a better boot than the Baruntse. But for technical ice, water fall and alpine I like the Baruntse better. It is warmer by far and more supportive. A Scarpa 6000 is cutting the line even finer but isn't as supportive as the Baruntse while excelling on technical ground.. <br /><br />Multi day trips in cold weather I like a dbl but the best singles like a Batura or a Scarpa guide or Nepal Evo will make do if you take care of them and your feet.<br /><br />I don't climb anything hard enough that the boots get in the way generally so I will go dbls when it is cold and I know I'll be out a long time. if I go with a single I just make sure to climb faster :)Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-57683459356249746642011-02-16T16:26:26.699-08:002011-02-16T16:26:26.699-08:00Hey Dane, your blog is a fantastic resource for al...Hey Dane, your blog is a fantastic resource for alpinism and gear! I have a pair of Scarpa Omegas right now, I bought them online and they ended up being a bit too big..so I'm looking for something new. I'm mostly looking for a double boot, because I'm interested in multi-day outings..but I'd like the technicality of a single boot. You said that baruntses climb as well if not better than nepal evos...really? Would that be the go-to double boot? Or are single boots usable enough on multi-day trips? Thanks a lot!Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803240050665075803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-78691155370577515062010-12-28T09:54:28.684-08:002010-12-28T09:54:28.684-08:00Hi Marc,
Thanks for the comments.
I really like...Hi Marc,<br />Thanks for the comments. <br /><br />I really like the 6000 with the exception of the inner boot. It is as good as anything available. A few of us have found the La Sportiva Baruntse inner boot a very good replacement for most dbls. I think you cna match the same size Baruntse inner with your 6000. (that is what I did) Then make sure to get them fit by a proper (ski) boot fitter. <br /><br />Good luck!<br /><br />Carlos, my apologies for answering this so late. Sorry, I don't have any experience with the Omegas.<br /><br />Dallen, again my apologies as I missed these two questions soem how. I would just stick to your normal sizes in La Sportiva both for dbls and the inners.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-44194654318901213922010-12-28T02:28:24.761-08:002010-12-28T02:28:24.761-08:00Hi Dane,
You've really got a great blog. It r...Hi Dane,<br /><br />You've really got a great blog. It really is one of the best online source of information I have found on mountaineering.<br /><br />I have recently bought a pair of <br />Scarpa Phantom 6000. My first main use will be climbing Mera Peak (6400m) and I am planning to do some technical climbing at lower altitude later.<br /><br />Do you think these shoes are good enough for that? Also, I do not have any problem with the 6000 inner boot for the moment (easy enough to get my feet in and out) but it does not look very durable.<br /><br />Based on your experience, should I get a new inner boot? Also, what inner boot model and size would you recommend ? (my 6000 are size 43)<br /><br />Thanks a lot.<br /><br />Marc.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03894654232372976736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-10473832185397806352010-12-10T13:10:45.114-08:002010-12-10T13:10:45.114-08:00Dane,
Did you fit both your Spantik and or Barunts...Dane,<br />Did you fit both your Spantik and or Baruntse larger then your other La sportiva Boots. You mentioned that that the liner shrinks when you heat it. So would you stay with the same size as your other boots from La Sportiva.<br />Also do the two boots fit simularly when trying them on. Noone around here has the Baruntse so I am going to have to try to fit it off the Spantik.<br />Thanks for your help.<br />DallenDallennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-26881107921245282682010-12-10T02:20:31.574-08:002010-12-10T02:20:31.574-08:00I´m really impressed with your blog and experience...I´m really impressed with your blog and experience dane.<br /><br />Speaking about the omegas.. what its your opinion about this plastic boot<br /><br />I been using alphas since a long time ago (cold winter use moderate snow/mixed climbing) ...<br /><br /> At that time I choose The alphas because were much lighter and cheaper than others "new generation fabric double boots"<br /><br />Now Im searching a new pair of doble boots And thinking in the omegas (lighter, with intuition liners and beter plastic) but it seems that everybody has abandoned the plastic boots <br /><br />Have you some experiences/advises/thougths/opinions about the scarpa omegas to share ??<br /><br />Thank you in advance (and sorry for my grammar) <br /><br />Carlos<br />Spainpithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11860415730408438056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-70191027734751622042010-12-07T12:24:39.933-08:002010-12-07T12:24:39.933-08:00Jon,
The Nuptse has certainly seen it fair share o...Jon,<br />The Nuptse has certainly seen it fair share of cold weather climbing. I have always thought the inner boots pretty basic but a good outer boot. Using a Baruntse liner might well change that. I would start off with the same size liner as the boot shell. Hope it is just a bit too big. The liners will shrink when you heat them up. Let us know if you do it and how it turned out for you. Good luck!Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-29978530328691215722010-12-07T12:19:27.908-08:002010-12-07T12:19:27.908-08:00Sorry Andrew I don't but did see this..on the ...Sorry Andrew I don't but did see this..on the Omega<br /><br />http://www.gravsports-ice.com/icethreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7671#Post7671<br /><br />It is certainly worth looking into for your boots.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-60499842491994318262010-12-05T12:56:55.775-08:002010-12-05T12:56:55.775-08:00Dane,
Do you know what liners come with the Scarp...Dane,<br /><br />Do you know what liners come with the Scarpa Invernos? And if they are thermo moldable? Love your blog, check it multiple times a day!<br /><br />Thanks,<br />AndrewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-22746477615358336682010-12-04T00:07:56.961-08:002010-12-04T00:07:56.961-08:00Dane
I'm thinking about some baruntse liners i...Dane<br />I'm thinking about some baruntse liners in my Nuptse, should drop weight and add warmth hopefully. Do you have any recommendations for size?I'd also love to hear your general impression on the Nupstes compared to the current generation of boots.<br />JonJon Rhoderickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07145952556525826178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-86859013138511114112010-12-03T13:41:13.022-08:002010-12-03T13:41:13.022-08:00Forgot this..The Baruntse is way more reliable and...Forgot this..The Baruntse is way more reliable and durable than the Spantik...innner and outer.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-6894427097198818782010-12-03T13:38:55.568-08:002010-12-03T13:38:55.568-08:00Hey Dallen,
Opinions vary but not to me it isn...Hey Dallen,<br /><br />Opinions vary but not to me it isn't. I have owned and climb in both. I think they are equally warm. The single advantage is the Spantik carries less snow on its laces. Not enough of an advantage for me. Everything else equal a good fit is what defines a technical boot for me. But it isn't equal. The off the shelf Baruntse with a easily heat molded liner fits me and I suspect most everyone else in the world better than the Spantik inner boot ever will.<br /><br />I find the Baruntse much easier to use and lace on really cold multiday trips. Top of the Baruntse is softer while the sole is stiffer than the Spantik.<br /><br />Either are good boots. Spantik I want a Baruntse inner boot fitted so I can use them properly. With the Baruntse I just want to go some place cold to go climbing.Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-3503683261335902422010-12-03T13:17:04.994-08:002010-12-03T13:17:04.994-08:00Dane, Your blog is very informative and a good re...Dane, Your blog is very informative and a good read. I am looking at both the Spanik and Baruntse. I need a boot that will hadle the very cold of up north but climb well. I know in your past blogs you have talked about the differences. I believe at one point you said you like the Baruntse better? My question- is the Spantik worth the extra money?<br />DallenDallennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-20612893590166572552010-12-02T19:01:16.496-08:002010-12-02T19:01:16.496-08:00Thank you Dave!
I totally agree on using regular t...Thank you Dave!<br />I totally agree on using regular trekking boots for the walk in, I generally use the Boreal Bulnes or Asolo Powermatic 3000 (discontinued or renamed now) for those hikes. In good weather they got me to many 18k ft summits. Boreal has the advantage of taking automatic crampons...<br />I prefer to leave hiking boots in Plaza de Mulas and use the doubles for the rest of the expedition up mostly because of the weight saving.<br />Great tip on the sizing, have no chance to miss there!<br />We'll be in touch!<br />Thanks again :)miguelsampedrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10129979909683124310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-79437821503324215482010-12-02T18:45:06.239-08:002010-12-02T18:45:06.239-08:00Greeetings Miguel,
For once an easy qustion for me...Greeetings Miguel,<br />For once an easy qustion for me :)<br />Aconcagua can be rough on boots up high and rough on your feet for the walk in. If I had to choose the most durable of the new boots it would be the Baruntse and a good pair of something to hike in.<br /><br />Last time I was on the mountain we had good weather and little snow. So I was lucky enough to be able to wear simple trainers to Berlin camp and dbl boots from their up. Other routes will obviously be different. And I wouldn't leave 14K without good boots in my pack on any route.<br /><br />If I was going again I'd do the same for the walk in and only put on boots when I had to because of the cold or new snow. Although a tiny bit lighter the Scarpa 6000 and the Spantik don't have the added durability I think the Baruntse offers.<br /><br />I found a a full size larger than normal was required on the 6000. La Sportiva seem true to size for me. 12US=45.5 in the dbls.<br /><br />Good luck and let us know how your trip went when you get back!Danehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300760603627210620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6940163880772720830.post-31766421869450954962010-12-02T18:16:49.646-08:002010-12-02T18:16:49.646-08:00Hi Dane, thanks for the blog indeed. Nice to see s...Hi Dane, thanks for the blog indeed. Nice to see so many reviews.<br />I am about to retire my Scarpa Invernos so I started searching for new boots, unfortunately all the new models are not available in Argentina due to import restrictions. In your opinion after reviewing so many, which one do you recommend for our "stony" Argentinian terrain? Going to Aconcagua in January :)<br />I have to order them and get it delivered to a friend in the US so trying them on isn't really an option!<br />Cheers and thanks a bunch!!miguelsampedrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10129979909683124310noreply@blogger.com